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I have recently stumbled into a conversation between Paul Swanson (he of the Center for Action and Contemplation) and Martin Shaw as they discuss Shaw’s Liturgies Of The Wild.

Swanson’s podcast Contemplify is the setting, though the places are Devonshire and New Mexico. It is a delightful “talk story” between two men I know a bit about. Ironically too, Robert Bly shows up in here…an important figure for Shaw, but a bit of an enigma to me? Swanson is well acquainted with Friar Richard Rohr who shares an affinity for the deeper things of life via mysticism and myth.

Herewith a link to that conversation should you be interested: https://contemplify.com/2026/02/01/dr-martin-shaw-on-liturgies-of-the-wild/

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